Sep 09 2009

Chinese hackers: We are not mentally handicapped

Published by at 5:10 am under Hacker Organization,Nationalism,Taiwan


The article from Alibaba reports that the website was down on Tuesday but as of a few moments ago when I checked, it was back up and running:

The post-90 generation teens that run 2009.90admin. com, wrote on their website, “We are not Internet attackers, we are just a group of computer fans; we are not mentally handicapped kids, we are the real patriotic youth. We’ll target anti-China websites across the nation and send it as a birthday gift to our country.”

The site was the subject of hot debate on the Chinese version of twitter but could not be viewed Tuesday. Efforts to reach the site’s operators were unsuccessful.

The 500-word statement appeared over a red and black background decorated with a flying national flag.

14 responses so far

14 Responses to “Chinese hackers: We are not mentally handicapped”

  1. gao yulongon 25 Sep 2009 at 7:00 am

    Freegate Update Released as National Day Approaches
    Any thoughts ????
    link here

  2. CBRP1R8on 06 Oct 2009 at 11:59 am

    More china spy love released today by UK on wikileaks…

  3. gao yulongon 07 Oct 2009 at 10:18 am

    Interesting link……thank you and interesting fact ti the website’s Advisory Board

  4. gao yulongon 14 Oct 2009 at 8:29 am

    CBRP1RB….what do you think of reports coming out of Paris like this….
    Report: 10,000 agents in secret Chinese sleeper cells ready for war worldwide – East-Asia-Intel –

    China has deployed sleeper cells of agents and special operations commandos in Canada who would be activated for military and covert action missions against the United States in future conflict.

    The Paris-based Intelligence Online reported October 1 that the Unit 8189 would not be viewed during the Tiananmen parade marking China’s 60th anniversary because the unit is secret.

    “Unit 8189 (jiefangjun bayibaijiu fengiandu) is the most secretive organization in the People’s Liberation Army,” the report said.

    “If a conflict arises, its ‘strategic commandos’ are trained to carry out sabotage missions, selective assassinations and attacks abroad.”

    The unit was established in the late 1980s by Gen. Zhang Shihai, who remains its adviser. The unit has an estimated 10,000 men and women and has been enhanced with soldiers trained in special warfare methods from various military regions and elite units from the three services.

    The unit became known after an agent from China’s Ministry of State Security defected.

    According to Canadian counterintelligence officials, about 50 Chinese agents from Unit 8189 have infiltrated Chinese neighborhoods in Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver and “would be activated in the case of a clash between China and the United States.”
    Any thoughts

  5. gao yulongon 14 Oct 2009 at 8:32 am

    At the National Day parade in Beijing on Oct. 1, while Western analysts were trying to spot what new weapons were on display, most of the TV audience were watching the female militia in the bright red mini skirts. But the militia were not really militia, just some pretty young women recruited to make a false impression.

    They became a hot topic on Internet chat rooms and forums. Chinese netizens found that one woman leading the militia unit was the Miss Etiquette of the Beijing Olympics, and another a model for foreign carmakers
    ……….mini skirts are still a weapon no matter which girl is wearing

  6. CBRP1R8on 14 Oct 2009 at 2:48 pm

    LOLOL, That’s awesome, distracting but far as the 2nd post you made there bout the mini-skirts…

    As for your 1st post, I am not sure, its definitely an very interesting concept and would definitely be something that any agency running operatives on foreign soil would most likely do in an actual warfare situation, but as for peacetime I don’t know. Far as I know, this really was only done last during world war 2 in which both british and american commando teams were trained up. On a much smaller scale of course and sent in overseas operations to link up with the local resistance operatives (using the BBC broadcasts as communications link up messages) and then coordinating their efforts to support the resistances groups and better organize others in to effectively taking out supply, communications and just general disruption and terrorism (murders of officers) and mayhem.

    So although there is historical evidence that this process works, I don’t know about actually filling out a 10000 strong force and sending them out all over the world. The smaller the teams are the more effective they seem to be (based on historic fact -ww2) and something 10k people strong, even throughout the world seems rather large to coordinate and communicate effectively. For instance in the case of the canada cell (i’ll use that term loosely) the group is still estimated at 50 people. (so .05 percent of your force is located in one city?) seems rather odd to me. I think a more effective force would be selected maybe at battalion strength 900-1000 men/women.

    All the training and all of that still fits but then only 3-4 would be needed in an average city and those teams don’t necessarily know about each other they could act independantly or might work through a 3rd party handler who then comes up with a plan for local communications. The hardest part of this whole thing I would think would be the communications links, both from the senior command staff, reporting to it and to the handler in the group coordination lead position. Whereas the local communication would most likely be the most likely to go undiscovered due to unwariness of average citizens.

  7. gao yulongon 14 Oct 2009 at 6:40 pm

    thanks for the input…….# CBRP1R8

  8. 73Clubmanon 18 Oct 2009 at 7:16 am

    I have recently read an article from australian popular mechanics, it goes on to talk about “China’s new army of hackers”, personally i am rather skeptical of this “army” idea
    that the media has portrayed. However i am not blind to the
    power and potential of the Chinese. One thing I haven’t so far figured out (probably due to the fact that i don’t know any Chinese people) is what China’s global goal is. I’m not all that fond of how the world has turned out with the western control, should i prepare for an invasion in the next few years (not that it would be a bad thing).
    Respect the superpower.

  9. Adrianon 23 Oct 2009 at 4:39 am

    China Expands Cyberspying in U.S., Report Says
    Congressional Advisory Panel in Washington Cites Apparent Campaign by Beijing to Steal Information From American Firms

    Maybe of interest

  10. the Pullon 04 Nov 2009 at 5:48 pm

    Of course they are patriotic. What, are they looking for jobs from their government? If they wish to help their nation they should look to the *people* of their nation and try and improve the infrastructure so the people have good jobs, food, clothes, shelter.

    I fail to see how potentially causing severe diplomatic problems for their country could possibly be helping their country.

    Do these hackers give the government hackers cover? Plausible deniability? “Not us, look, we have hackers that are independent”.

    Considering that no one is fooled on that matter, I fail to see the value in it. Ends up, we have to consider every Chinese hacker a potential government agent.

    Does Britain hack us? Japan? France? Germany?

    Is it they want to be #1? What does that even mean. Or to display the greatness of their country? Do they feel people don’t appreciate China? People would far more if they freed things up there. Democracy works is why we do it. Free markets work. This is obviously proven.

    Transparency works.

    If China wants to be greater, they should reverse the damage done by the cultural “revolution”. It was not a revolution, it was a systematic, all pervasive destruction of the culture.

    That is what makes country what they are. Their personalities. Their culture. Communism is not a culture, it is a failed, sick excuse for tyranny and nepotism.

    Clearly, these directions are the directions that have aided China. Clearly.

  11. CBRP1R8on 05 Nov 2009 at 10:13 am

    Something I stumbled across this a.m., pretty good read from our point of view….You’ll also note the number of references to GO and China…specifically…it almost sounds like the entire paper is how to strategically defeat China…in the Interwebz War!

  12. the Pullon 06 Nov 2009 at 4:47 pm

    I am a big believer in simple exposure. These media articles have been devastating and it brings the issue to international condemnation.

    Eventually, the price has to outweigh the benefit for them.

    When people see toys from China with lead in them, or poisoned milk, that brings down the name of China. News shows, commentaries, blogs… people’s opinions matter and they need information to act: shall we choose China or India for such and such resources, for instance. If one country is showing themselves untrustworthy… our hand gets forced.

    Further, it is because of exposure corporate America has been able to harden their systems, not just against hardened criminals with limited resources… but the fact is made known you might have foreign intel with vast resources trying to steal your corporate secrets, or even set up an entryway for sabotage.

    This exposure also raises some big moral questions about why countries that have such poverty and misery… would choose to act dishonestly to keep the status quo, instead of acting honestly and fulfilling their trusted roles as public servants for their own people with honesty to outside nations.

    Eventually, they would only cool off if the price outweighed the benefit.

    Mere protection, in my opinion, is not enough.

    Ultimately, they need something to replace at least the S&T theft. And that which is they need is clear: a functioning market system not weighed down by nepotism and other unnecessary government controls. True democracy, with accountability of public officials.

    Rigged races never produce excellence. Totalitarian systems create rigged races, and it is no wonder then they have no excellence in the market place and their people are not fed… and definitely not living to the standard we do in the Free World.

    It is not that the Chinese are lazy workers. It is that their system is rigged for corruption. It is dysfunctional.

  13. gao yulongon 07 Nov 2009 at 6:18 am

    CBRP1R8……..your link to the Kennedy Center seems and interesting read…
    Do you know Melissa Hathaway who was named the Acting Senior Director for Cyberspace for the National Security and Homeland Security Councils on 9 February 2009 ?

  14. cbrp1r8on 12 Nov 2009 at 5:25 pm

    Not personally, No. I just posted it as an interesting read, on topic somewhat…I think she had an interesting way of using “GO” as a metaphor for strategy.