Comments on: Understanding China’s cyber threat perception http://www.thedarkvisitor.com/2009/07/understanding-chinas-cyber-threat-perception/ Sat, 24 Dec 2011 19:52:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Heike http://www.thedarkvisitor.com/2009/07/understanding-chinas-cyber-threat-perception/comment-page-1/#comment-3286 Heike Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:56:04 +0000 http://www.thedarkvisitor.com/?p=1711#comment-3286 "Threat projection has always been more about your own side then their side anyways, what better way to fund your own forces then create threat where there is none and sell it." Grains of truth. :) “Threat projection has always been more about your own side then their side anyways, what better way to fund your own forces then create threat where there is none and sell it.”

Grains of truth. :)

]]> By: CBRP1R8 http://www.thedarkvisitor.com/2009/07/understanding-chinas-cyber-threat-perception/comment-page-1/#comment-3284 CBRP1R8 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:01:55 +0000 http://www.thedarkvisitor.com/?p=1711#comment-3284 Good article, I was there doing "stuff" in 91....been going on a lot longer then most anyone outside of the community would know....then the project headed up by NSA in their Global IT Project, which grew exponentially in 93-94, to bring in all the military branches under the same thumb. Threat projection has always been more about your own side then their side anyways, what better way to fund your own forces then create threat where there is none and sell it. Good article, I was there doing “stuff” in 91….been going on a lot longer then most anyone outside of the community would know….then the project headed up by NSA in their Global IT Project, which grew exponentially in 93-94, to bring in all the military branches under the same thumb. Threat projection has always been more about your own side then their side anyways, what better way to fund your own forces then create threat where there is none and sell it.

]]> By: Heike http://www.thedarkvisitor.com/2009/07/understanding-chinas-cyber-threat-perception/comment-page-1/#comment-3222 Heike Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:17:07 +0000 http://www.thedarkvisitor.com/?p=1711#comment-3222 Neal, No problem. If our readers are happy, we are happy. Neal,

No problem. If our readers are happy, we are happy.

]]> By: neal http://www.thedarkvisitor.com/2009/07/understanding-chinas-cyber-threat-perception/comment-page-1/#comment-3221 neal Wed, 08 Jul 2009 11:28:11 +0000 http://www.thedarkvisitor.com/?p=1711#comment-3221 Thanks HEike, you do great work! Much obliged. Thanks HEike, you do great work! Much obliged.

]]> By: Heike http://www.thedarkvisitor.com/2009/07/understanding-chinas-cyber-threat-perception/comment-page-1/#comment-3217 Heike Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:02:14 +0000 http://www.thedarkvisitor.com/?p=1711#comment-3217 Neal, The only English translation I'm aware of is the one I provided. It is actually a bit more than just a gist translation, got carried away. The only parts I didn't translate pretty much verbatim were the last couple of paragraphs. The original link is: http://tech.qq.com/a/20090703/000154.htm but, as is common with Chinese articles, it is hard to tell the original publication. They don't seem to be too concerned about citing their sources. However, if you look at the pictures associated associated with the article, it looks like it may have been taken it from Xinhua. Neal,

The only English translation I’m aware of is the one I provided. It is actually a bit more than just a gist translation, got carried away. The only parts I didn’t translate pretty much verbatim were the last couple of paragraphs.

The original link is: http://tech.qq.com/a/20090703/000154.htm but, as is common with Chinese articles, it is hard to tell the original publication. They don’t seem to be too concerned about citing their sources. However, if you look at the pictures associated associated with the article, it looks like it may have been taken it from Xinhua.

]]> By: neal http://www.thedarkvisitor.com/2009/07/understanding-chinas-cyber-threat-perception/comment-page-1/#comment-3216 neal Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:54:48 +0000 http://www.thedarkvisitor.com/?p=1711#comment-3216 Heike... Is there an English translation of the linked website? What Chinese periodical/journal did it come from? Heike…

Is there an English translation of the linked website? What Chinese periodical/journal did it come from?

]]> By: Heike http://www.thedarkvisitor.com/2009/07/understanding-chinas-cyber-threat-perception/comment-page-1/#comment-3213 Heike Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:45:09 +0000 http://www.thedarkvisitor.com/?p=1711#comment-3213 Yeah, China has this habit of trying to fight below its weight class. I think it sprang from Deng Xiaoping's famous quote, "hide your capability and bide your time." Or something like that. It rings rather hollow and works against them in my opinion. However, I have heard some interesting theories about Chinese methods of deterrence that could explain it. Very different from the US use of transparency. Yeah, China has this habit of trying to fight below its weight class. I think it sprang from Deng Xiaoping’s famous quote, “hide your capability and bide your time.” Or something like that.

It rings rather hollow and works against them in my opinion. However, I have heard some interesting theories about Chinese methods of deterrence that could explain it. Very different from the US use of transparency.

]]> By: Jupiter http://www.thedarkvisitor.com/2009/07/understanding-chinas-cyber-threat-perception/comment-page-1/#comment-3211 Jupiter Tue, 07 Jul 2009 09:01:53 +0000 http://www.thedarkvisitor.com/?p=1711#comment-3211 Of course, don't get me wrong-- I agree with that part entirely and found the article extremely insightful in that regard. You could say that 1991 was to Chinese perceptions on force modernization and information warfare as 1996 was to Chinese perceptions on the importance of naval deterrence/power projection capabilities. The only portion I considered disputable were suggestions that the US was deliberately inflating the threat to justify the creation of its own cyberwarfare capabilities. It seems as if the US has been edging in that direction for years now, long before the recent rash of Chinese hacker news stories, and I found the suggestion of a correlation between the two to be a little flimsy. Other than that, this article hit several nails on their respective heads! Of course, don’t get me wrong– I agree with that part entirely and found the article extremely insightful in that regard. You could say that 1991 was to Chinese perceptions on force modernization and information warfare as 1996 was to Chinese perceptions on the importance of naval deterrence/power projection capabilities.

The only portion I considered disputable were suggestions that the US was deliberately inflating the threat to justify the creation of its own cyberwarfare capabilities. It seems as if the US has been edging in that direction for years now, long before the recent rash of Chinese hacker news stories, and I found the suggestion of a correlation between the two to be a little flimsy.

Other than that, this article hit several nails on their respective heads!

]]> By: hogfly http://www.thedarkvisitor.com/2009/07/understanding-chinas-cyber-threat-perception/comment-page-1/#comment-3204 hogfly Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:53:32 +0000 http://www.thedarkvisitor.com/?p=1711#comment-3204 I had a friend involved in '91 that talked a bit about what they did to Iraqi comms during the war and it pretty much involved what was discussed above though there were some differences in his story, more or less involving the manual hacking of routers. The 'chinese threat' is very real and growing despite their attempts to downplay their capabilities at every turn. The truth of it is that very few people know their actual strength and those people will not talk about it. I had a friend involved in ’91 that talked a bit about what they did to Iraqi comms during the war and it pretty much involved what was discussed above though there were some differences in his story, more or less involving the manual hacking of routers.

The ‘chinese threat’ is very real and growing despite their attempts to downplay their capabilities at every turn. The truth of it is that very few people know their actual strength and those people will not talk about it.

]]> By: Heike http://www.thedarkvisitor.com/2009/07/understanding-chinas-cyber-threat-perception/comment-page-1/#comment-3201 Heike Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:06:18 +0000 http://www.thedarkvisitor.com/?p=1711#comment-3201 Jupiter, I think that 1991 shook the Chinese to their core and they suddenly realized they had to build a modern fighting force. Precision-guided weapons and a digitized force woke them up. They also realized that matching the US tank for tank, plane for plane, and ship for ship was not going to work. They saw how well that worked out for the old Soviet Union and decided they weren't gong to have any part of that game. Non-contact war provides the Chinese with what they refer to as leap-frog technology. The chance to compete with the US on a level, somewhat cheap playing field. As I tried to point out, we don't have to agree with their reasoning but we do need to understand it in order to see why they are moving. Jupiter,

I think that 1991 shook the Chinese to their core and they suddenly realized they had to build a modern fighting force. Precision-guided weapons and a digitized force woke them up.

They also realized that matching the US tank for tank, plane for plane, and ship for ship was not going to work. They saw how well that worked out for the old Soviet Union and decided they weren’t gong to have any part of that game.

Non-contact war provides the Chinese with what they refer to as leap-frog technology. The chance to compete with the US on a level, somewhat cheap playing field.

As I tried to point out, we don’t have to agree with their reasoning but we do need to understand it in order to see why they are moving.

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