May 11 2009

China cyber laws: Getting tough on hacking at home

Published by at 8:26 pm under Uncategorized

Robert McMillan, from PCWorld, was kind enough to give us a link in his article on China strengthening its cyber laws.

However, the paper concludes that the country’s laws are still in the early stages of development. “Gaps and inadequacies exist in traditional offense provisions,” said Qi, a senior lecturer in the Department of Computing at Canterbury Christ Church University in the U.K.

Robert’s full article…As Hacking Hits Home, China Strengthens Cyber Laws.

7 responses so far

7 Responses to “China cyber laws: Getting tough on hacking at home”

  1. The Pullon 12 May 2009 at 2:52 pm

    I really do not mind sweeping China’s attacks against the US and other countries under the rug… if they start to enforce the laws there.

    But, if they want us to just speculate whether or not their government is actually behind most of these attacks… or at least, the most sophisticated ones… I think that is a very obvious ruse which is quite trivial to see through… especially if these attacks continue. Then would it not be a matter of wondering why it is they are not finding and arresting all of these people?

    Intel agencies using proxy agents for plausible deniability possibilities is not some stroke of genius and not something new.

    Granted, it is very hard to keep conspiracies… and they have been using people who are not very skilled at that… but even if they harden such a conspiracy… they would find such activity simply can not go without exposure by one means or another.

    Further, it generally has not been a primary counter-intelligence strategy of any nation to expose these sorts of attacks publicaly… reason being that the ‘proverbial cops don’t want to let the bad guys know they are coming to get them’.

    So, such efforts… if they are a ruse… would only have value with public opinion. However, public opinion is not something which China has been good at controlling… now is it?

    This is because the general public is not stupid and not immoral (as totalitarian governments tend to think of their subjects, by their actions which show this belief).

    Really, I have not seen anything hurt China – not even the Tibet struggles – like what they are doing with cyber-crime. It really sends a strong message to all of her would be allies that she is frothing at the mouth and not a country to be trusted.

    Without trust… well, what does one do? And by “trust” I mean here the knowledge that one will do XYZ. What we have with China right now is quite certain knowledge they have malicious intentions they feel a need to express to us through their actions.

    How does that help them? These things said, I do think they will get the bigger picture soon and wake up and realize we all need to work together — not against each other.

  2. BeatUpPrideon 12 May 2009 at 6:25 pm

    No offense intended, but will you trust any government saying they are not evolved in any activity of “cyber crime”?

  3. Heikeon 12 May 2009 at 9:22 pm


    Absolutely no offense taken, it is a very good question.

    I would be very skeptical of any government that says they are not involved in cyber “operations.” They are probably not being honest. Yeah, splitting hairs a bit on the term “crime.”

    Our BLOG! :)

    Don’t mean to come off as someone doubting it is taking place, just want evidence like the guys at Ghostnet provided.

  4. The Pullon 12 May 2009 at 9:30 pm


    You can’t offend me.

    “Trust” is a real funny word. Especially in the security industry, and even moreso in the intelligence world. The inclination is to take the old slogan, “trust no one”. And that is great, if you have zero capabilities in understanding how people work.

    If you can understand people you can “trust” them on varying levels as your assessment is of them… and how juicy your carrot is, and how big and bad your stick is… and how well you know you have impressed this upon them.

    You can get the most ardent, hard core criminal… strongest person you can imagine… and if you understand how they tick, you surely can control them. That does not mean you have to throw out either the carrot or the stick.

    Now, you probably don’t trust me in saying that. And I can not say that would be unwise. But, that would be simply because you do not know me.

    But, what I am talking about here in this post and other posts is that China is going against that which they do not understand. Now, they can trust us or not. I do not think a criminal engaged in malicious crimes is going to trust a police officer… until they get caught. Then they do not have any choice about the matter.

    The fact of the matter, however, is that our strong allies can trust the US. They know us, they can understand us. China is absolutely a strong ally in many ways… but when it comes down to this cold war they are inspiring, clearly, the only country they are hurting is their own.

    This does not mean your average Joe on the street understands or can accept that trust we may have with our closest allies. But, then, what does your average Joe on the street know — despite where they may work or what they may have had experience with?

  5. The Pullon 12 May 2009 at 9:59 pm


    Yes, agreed on this. I don’t want to focus on what is a “crime’ or not… and I am not condemning a nation for having intelligence agencies. Of course nations need intelligence agencies. That is the eyes and ears of a nation… and the brain… but, without heart, what good is any of that. But, you know this.

    What I would like to see is nations using intelligence agencies for a lot less in the direction of trying to bring down other nations out of fear… and a lot more in trying to solve the world problems out there… not directly, but in an advisory and leadership role.

    Ultimately, how a nation runs comes down to the people. But, they need direction and want direction.

  6. Heikeon 13 May 2009 at 3:58 am

    @The Pull and BeatUpPride

    Sorry, I got confused that the exchange was between you guys. Getting old will do that to you.

    Hey, look, shiny thing…


  7. The Pullon 13 May 2009 at 2:26 pm



    You spoke rightly, regardless.